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Post by mkyle on Mar 19, 2009 18:58:10 GMT 10
Building a new motor for it at the moment. Will compete again in the Tasmanian Rally Series this year. First round is 13th June 2009 Mt Lloyd rally north of New Norfolk. Mark ozdat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7615 |
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Post by mkyle on Mar 19, 2009 19:27:21 GMT 10
You might need to register with Ozdat to view the pictures (above).
My friend Stuart and I have 10 Datsun 1600s between us. I have a 1600 rally car, race car, 2 x road cars, 2 shells (1 is pretty stuffed 68 model), a 200B rally car (I'm doing up) and a 200B club car.
That is where all the Datsuns are!!!!!
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Post by datfreak on Mar 19, 2009 20:48:00 GMT 10
No you don't have all datsuns! there are 10 or so 1600s are at my place!
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Post by mkyle on Mar 20, 2009 19:27:56 GMT 10
Yeah your rally car and the road 1600 (slate blue) look very good. What other's do you have? All 1600s?
Do you remember me from your rally days? I had a break from rally 2000-2004 ish due to business; not sure if I was at the Scamander Screamer when you were (I had a dark green 1600). Been rallying on and off since 1986; being doing the TRS for the last few years in the orange 1600.
Be good to see your 1600 out in the bush again.
I bought a white 1600 road car recently through this forum and been doing that up lately - reco L20B, 32/36 weber, extractors, adjustable suspension, better seats. Sounds like similar mods to your slate blue one.
Mark Kyle
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Post by datfreak on Mar 21, 2009 7:08:44 GMT 10
Yeah I remember you and your green 1600! remember talking to you at our first rally..... The 500 rally I think. A night one at Dover. Still got the rally car. Very tired these days. I think it would only be good for Karna cross these days. I do have a spare shell, but don't like the idea of the money needed these days.. I saw you in your white 1600 with all the MINIS last week end. Looks like a nice car. So I have the slate blue 1600, the rally car, 6 or 7 sedan wrecks and a couple of wagon wrecks too.
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Post by bluerat on Mar 21, 2009 15:39:43 GMT 10
Howdy Mark, glad you found us on here!! hows the new donk looking?? You will be in the running for an outright victory this year, with a bit of luck and a fair wind??
I remember doing a control during the Hellyer rally on a side road to a major highway and seeing a dark green 1600 drive past us 3 or 4 times, then pull in just before he ran out of late time.....
I've also got a very shagged 68 spare shell (Ex Eric Flight) maybe we should combine the two and get one good one??
Catch ya,
Hodgo
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Post by mkyle on Mar 22, 2009 6:38:40 GMT 10
datfreak - I'll post some photos of the white 1600 road car when she is finished. Would like to have a closer look at your cars one day, down at Snug.
Bluerat - The previous rally bottom end was bog standard with the original pistons! We built it in a hurry for Auspine 07 then kept it in for the 08 season. The new motor has flat top pistons (hypertec Datsport), bored 40 thou (1998cc), balanced bottom end, but standard crank, rods, bolts. Lightened flywheel and button clutch.
With those pistons, deck height above pistons is .45mm, ccs of the head 28.5, so should work out 11.2:1 compression. I used the online Ozdat engine build calculator to work out the compression. No need to deck the block, as compression is already on the high side. I am going to dummy fit the head next and see how much piston to valve clearance I have (or don't have). The cam is a 76. Have you had cut outs in your pistons for valve relief???
Re outright 09 - I love rallying but not prepared to spend big bucks trying to achieve outright, as it is not important to me. Heard some 1600 nuts on the mainland have spent 10-15K to achieve up to 132rwkw, but if I can get close to 100rwkw for under 1.5k I'd be happy. The head work is already done, so its the bottom end I need to spend the money on. Our 08 motor only produced 76rwkw so hopefully the increase in compression and getting the cam timing will make a reasonable difference.
I like to keep rallying on the cheap side; it sets a good example to others (re rallying being affordable) and its about FUN, not winning at all costs. I think we went well last year because we didn't try too hard - sure we drove as fast as possible for what we had, but we didn't put pressure on ourselves.
My average budget per rally is :second hand tyres $50 per event ($40 per tyre, full set lasts me 3-4 rallys), fuel $150 (including service vehicle when required), repairs $100, misc $100, entry $230. My navigator has been kind enough to pay half fuel and entry. We don't have sponsors. Rallying is affordable if you stick to a budget.
68 Shell - its a bit bent (rollover Green rally shell - Hellyer 04). Because the rollcage was not intergrated to the shell, it twisted the car. Back driver's side corner ok, some spares.
Mark
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Post by datfreak on Mar 22, 2009 21:50:51 GMT 10
I like your approach Mark... Keep it cheap! My rally car had and still has the l16 engine that came in it when I bought the car from the wreckers! Until I match ported the head to the Hitachi SU manifold the engine was stock standard. This engine not only survived 3 odd years of P plate driving it also made it through 4 odd years of rallies! Towards the end I had to take the head off to give the valves a freshen up apart from that oil changes, points and valve clearances is all it needed. This engine took us to a 2nd place in our class at one rally. Sure it was low on power, but if you keep the car flowing it gets along OK. Yeah I would be keen to catch up and talk 1600s some time. My slate blue project is a work in progress.. This winter once it is too cold to go sailing I will spend some time on it.
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Post by mkyle on Mar 23, 2009 6:21:24 GMT 10
In 1988, I had a 1600 with a L16 bog standard (didn't even take the head off), SUs, standard exhaust manifold (weren't allowed extractors then), standard 4 speed, standard 3.7 diff, standard brakes; although better pads and vented the drums on the back. We spent money on good shocks, adjustable front (radius rods, control arms), bolt in cage, seats and seatbelts.
We had heaps of fun and with sponsors rallied the entire season virtually for free. The car was reasonably quick for what it was and ofcourse ultra reliable. We came 2nd outright in Rally Tas (TRS part, not ARC) in our first event 1988, mainly due to its reliability and keeping it on the road. I was driving like a mad man though! The good thing about an L16, is that it is cheap and puts you just in the P2, under 1600cc class; which makes the car amoungst other low power cars.
No reason why you can't do the same now, if you wanted to. Does your rally car have a log book? Bolt in cages are about $1200. Depends on what your priorities are though - may not want to go rallying again, etc.
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Post by mkyle on Mar 23, 2009 6:32:53 GMT 10
Oh forgot. In 1988 we came 3rd outright in the Tasmanian Rally Championship with this bog standard L16 engine!!! Were beaten by a 4wd subaru and a V8 Commodore. Goes to show that reliability and reasonably quick driving can make the difference. Never give up.
Pretty sure we put a R180 4.8 LSD in it towards the end of that year, but that was the only major mod. Built a fresh L16 in 1989 and that lasted (although I didn't rally much) till 1998, Fingal rally. Part of one of the second hand pistons we used fell off, one rocker arm and one valve spring broke, but we still drove it and finished the rally and then drove home to Hobart!!
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Post by mkyle on Jul 19, 2013 20:32:39 GMT 10
I'm going in the Apple Valley rally tomorrow down past Geeveston. Meeting kermandie hotel 9am for pace note training, but serious racing doesn't start till after 2pm till dark.
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Post by mkyle on Jul 21, 2013 19:21:35 GMT 10
Rally went well - we came 3rd outright and first under 2 litre. We didn't have any problems with the car this time and it seems we fixed the ignition problem - turns out it must have been a fault inside the distributor and the computer wasn't registering the trigger (the problem only occurred when the engine got hot after 3 stages and would restart after waiting 10 minutes at a time).
There were two other 1600s entered - Oates and Ling. All three 1600s finished, showing the Datsun reliability.
Great rally - thanks Daniel. Now for the Southern Safari up New Norfolk way 24/8/13 and hopefully another 3 Datsuns at least.
Cheers
Mark
Go the Dato.
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Post by Gordie on Jul 22, 2013 17:09:00 GMT 10
well done mark!
Got any in car footage of this one?
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Post by mkyle on Jul 23, 2013 21:04:00 GMT 10
I'm having trouble uploading to youtube. I have a video of one of the stages. Here is a video of us at the styx rally in 2009. Glenn was navigating for me then as well. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCcle4r0iWs or look for videos under by "maskyle" Cheers Mark |
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